The Court-Records Mafia

"Readjusting your way of thinking to the mentality of a corked-up wombat on heroin." -Insho

Rookie Killer Mafia: Page 39- 42


Author: WhiteElephant [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:41 pm ]
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We now return to Rookie Killer Mafia, Canto VII

Spoiler: Current tally
Death Row: Boss Velotix

Boss Velotix- 10
Regy Rusty
Franzise Deauxnim
Phoenix_Apollo
WhiteElephant
fatalfeline
R. Bond
Boss Velotix
Game Over
Insho
genodragon1

Caitlin- 6
Donald Serrot
OMG Cracker
ff3girl
Allan Aokage
Sklarvv
Penny_Nickels

Author: Insho [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:45 pm ]
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WhiteElephant wrote:
:yuusaku: Well now that we have FINALLY come back to the reality of things, I want to address something to you Insho:

Insho's Mafia List wrote:
Velo
Caitlin
Allan's Aokage
Regy Rusty
Sklarvv


Velo is for certain, no doubting it, but what about the others. According to you this was the culmination of all three investigation roles (or at least what you got before 2/3 of them kicked the bucket), but now that you understand that Gumshoe's role is somewhat flawed, as it is not always 2 true 2 false, I need to question how sure you are on this list. :payne:

A vote tally is coming up after these commercial breaks.

That list... needs to be recycled.
Velo, Allan Aokage, and MAYBE Sklarvv are Mafia.

Regy can no longer be Mafia, or Caitlin.

Sigh... seems some of us misinterpreted the rules a bit. Regardless, we have a few targets to pick from.

I'm not going to say that my proclamation was a total loss. At least we learned the truth. But I wonder, what the cost shall be? Oh, and before anybody says it, I just had another confirmation that there ARE not any HPs, with the exception of what we assume of Pearl.

Author: R. Bond [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:45 pm ]
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UNVOTE: Boss Velotix

Author: genodragon1 [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:17 pm ]
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Well, it seems that my math was a bit off. Well, very off...math isn't my strong point, as it is plain to see.

WE HAVE MORE TIME THAN ORIGINALLY THOUGHT! YAY!


Although, this does not undercut the importance of finding Franzy, and fast. So, let us continue our assault on Velo. I cannot wait to see him go down.

Oh, and Velo, no one buys the tough act. Your attempt to fool us with fear, I think, is an attempt to convince yourself.

I think Prosecutor Velo Edgeworth has death chosen for him, no?

Author: Regy Rusty [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:19 pm ]
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Ahh. I'm so very glad we could have this all cleared up. My vote, naturally, remains on Velo.

Let us carry on then. :godot:

Author: Insho [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:31 pm ]
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Results removed for slight glitch in process.

Still updating info database. Velo is still Edgey.

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:35 pm ]
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Dear God, people...way to jump all over things. >_>

...*jaw drops*

How can we be even sure anymore? :larry:

Author: Sklarvv [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:36 pm ]
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O.o
What is going on? Wasn't Caitlin "100% confirmed"? Make up your minds.

Author: Insho [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:37 pm ]
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Sklarvv, please read what you miss. Please backtrack when you don't understand things.


EDIT: If there are any mistakes, please cross-check this and make a mention of it. My current hit-and-miss rate needs work, so I must rely on my team more than ever. (Who knew acting as a spokesman would be so hard, ja?)

The current list is far from finished. So far, focus on Velo as an easy hit. Even though it won't stop the double kills, it is still worth it for now.

Let it be known:
As of this very moment, we focus on Velo. Unless hell breaks free and freezes over, we will not change that target.That is all

I have made about 3 big (EDIT: FAIL!) announcements today. At least they did the two things I needed, one being to gleam info.

Author: Sklarvv [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:27 pm ]
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...And on our left we see a wild CR-mafia player. We call this little bugger "Insho". If he screams at you, children, do not be frightened. Poor guy is very sick, and is suffering from what we call a "superiority complex". Just don't feed him and he just might recover...

Author: Boss Velotix [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:45 pm ]
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Doomed...

You are all doooooooomed...

DOOOOOOOOOOMED...

DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!

*waits for death* n__n

Author: genodragon1 [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:47 pm ]
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Really now, Velo, this is pathetic. You've reduced yourself to a pre-school haunted house. Stop embarrassing yourself, man.

Author: Donald Serrot [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:48 pm ]
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...
UNVOTE: CAITLIN

VOTE: BOSS VELOTIX

Author: Sklarvv [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:51 pm ]
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genodragon1 wrote:
Really now, Velo, this is pathetic. You've reduced yourself to a pre-school haunted house. Stop embarrassing yourself, man.

... Great. Now I just imagined a cardboard-cutout Velo popping out of a coffin. Thanks.
*goes to mop some soda off the monitor*

Author: Insho [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:51 pm ]
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In case I forgot it.

Unvote- Caitlin
VOTE- Velo

Author: Boss Velotix [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:53 pm ]
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Oh, bugger off, geno, I've never been a confirmed Mafioso before. The last time I was Mafia I got killed on the sly by...

... XD

by EDGEWORTH.

IRONYYYYYYYYYYY

Author: genodragon1 [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:54 pm ]
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Boss Velotix wrote:
Oh, bugger off, geno, I've never been a confirmed Mafioso before. The last time I was Mafia I got killed on the sly by...

... XD

by EDGEWORTH.

IRONYYYYYYYYYYY


Uh-oh, someone is grumpy. Does the cardboard cutout in the coffin need some sleep? (Great, now Sklarvv has that image in my head as well...)

Author: Game Over [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:55 pm ]
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Boss Velotix wrote:
Oh, bugger off, geno, I've never been a confirmed Mafioso before. The last time I was Mafia I got killed on the sly by...

... XD

by EDGEWORTH.

IRONYYYYYYYYYYY


*Brings out Notepad*

Ah...So that is why......Hmmm....I got nothing :payne:

*Wishes I was Payne again....*

Author: Donald Serrot [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:58 pm ]
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Game Over wrote:
Boss Velotix wrote:
Oh, bugger off, geno, I've never been a confirmed Mafioso before. The last time I was Mafia I got killed on the sly by...

... XD

by EDGEWORTH.

IRONYYYYYYYYYYY


*Brings out Notepad*

ImageI see Egzorth... tell me about your childhood.

Author: Sklarvv [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:59 pm ]
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Boss Velotix wrote:
Oh, bugger off, geno, I've never been a confirmed Mafioso before. The last time I was Mafia I got killed on the sly by...

... XD

by EDGEWORTH.

IRONYYYYYYYYYYY

XDD Wow. Nice job!

Also, ACE ATTORNEEEYYYYYY >8D
*victory dance*

Author: WhiteElephant [ Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:59 pm ]
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Insho wrote:
In case I forgot it.

Unvote- Caitlin
VOTE- Velo

You didn't ;3 My vote tally had you checked off for Velo before.

Spoiler: Current Tally
Death Row- Boss Velotix

Boss Velotix- 10
Regy Rusty
Franzise Deauxnim
Phoenix_Apollo
WhiteElephant
fatalfeline
Boss Velotix
Game Over
Insho
genodragon1
Donald Serrot

Caitlin- 5
OMG Cracker
ff3girl
Allan Aokage
Sklarvv
Penny_Nickels

Author: R. Bond [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:25 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Boss Velotix wrote:
Oh, bugger off, geno, I've never been a confirmed Mafioso before. The last time I was Mafia I got killed on the sly by...

... XD

by EDGEWORTH.

IRONYYYYYYYYYYY

:think:

Author: ff3girl [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:35 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

For the fourteenth time, I change my vote.

UNVOTE: CAITLIN
VOTE: BOSS VELOTIX

Author: Game Over [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:16 am ]
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I just found this...And can't stop laughing....

Doo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo Hoo!

Author: Matt Gumshoe [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:18 am ]
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And here I was thinking we were about to see an epic turnabout....I come to find it's fizzled....so disappointing....

Author: OMG Cracker [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:46 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

*mumblegrumblethat'swhatwegetfornotreadingtherulesmutter*

Unvote: Caitlin
Vote: Boss Velotix


I would go back to my old attack on WhiteElephant, but I don't think anyone's in the mood for a gamble like that right now...

Author: R. Bond [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:54 am ]
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Hey, it's worth a shot.

Author: OMG Cracker [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:57 am ]
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R. Bond wrote:
Hey, it's worth a shot.


Try telling that to the rest of them.

Author: R. Bond [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:05 am ]
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I just did.

Author: OMG Cracker [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:24 am ]
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R. Bond wrote:
I just did.


And did it work?

Author: Allan's Aokage [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:38 am ]
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OH FUCK I'VE BEEN FOUND OUT @Insho; In case you are unable to tell, that was sarcasm. It's about as untruthful as the list of Mafians you posted, of which at least one is fake. You have been royally screwed over by the unreliable roles of the Town investigators. Get Gumshoe to research me again and again. I will turn up as Townie at least once and for every time after that. In short, when you fall asleep on this Night phase, I will make sure I will slam a book on your privates for publishing unsound information about my affiliation. Good day, sir.

Lynch: Caitlin Boss Velotix

:tea:
Let us see how quickly you decide to hasten to the doom of the Town, my fellow Townies.

Author: Donald Serrot [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:58 am ]
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Is it just me... or are our maffians quick to say they have been found out this round...
Kinda makes you... worry...
*goes back to WoW, level 30 baby*

Author: Allan's Aokage [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:18 am ]
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...

Author: genodragon1 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:31 am ]
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If you thought that last link was funny?
Try this:
Tis the same old guys v. Milton Berle!


Um, Donnie. That's the point. It's good ol' basic psychological warfare. And honestly, they are starting to sound like tiny children in a pillow fort.

Author: Insho [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:02 am ]
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Code:
[quote="Allan's Aokage"]OH FUCK I'VE BEEN FOUND OUT [size=1]@Insho; In case you are unable to tell, that was sarcasm. It's about as untruthful as the list of Mafians you posted, of which at least one is fake. You have been royally screwed over by the unreliable roles of the Town investigators. Get Gumshoe to research me again and again. I will turn up as Townie at least once and for every time after that. In short, when you fall asleep on this Night phase, I will make sure I will slam a book on your privates for publishing unsound information about my affiliation. Good day, sir.[/size]
[size=200]Lynch: [strike]Caitlin[/strike] Boss Velotix[/size]

:tea: Let us see how quickly you decide to hasten to the doom of the Town, my fellow Townies.[/quote]


Fixed...well, shown publicly, rather.
Frankly, I deserve it. But if Allan if, one of the 3 I mentioend previously is fake, it isn't you. The rules changed, but a repeating results don't lie, and you came up twice as mafia, and no odd phases, so Manny couldn't have interfered unless he skipped a phase. While I'm taking crap for this, at least we have SOME evidence out of this.

Author: genodragon1 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:38 am ]
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*glomps computer* OH THANK GOODNESS YOU ARE ALRIGHT, FORUM! I THOUGHT I'D LOST YOU! :larry:

Author: Insho [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:57 am ]
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That was certainly a new error message, wasn't it?
Something about server_Max_occupancy or something.

Author: Matt Gumshoe [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:27 pm ]
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Hmm....whom shall I pick...? Might as well make a statement of some kind before I wind up murdered in my sleep....


Oh well, I'll get to it before I wrap up work, and on that note...*pads off to work, casting inquisitive look at the town.*

Author: Penny_Nickels [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:56 pm ]
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Allan's Aokage wrote:
when you fall asleep on this Night phase, I will make sure I will slam a book on your privates for publishing unsound information about my affiliation.

O.O *Ahem* XD

Vote: Caitlin Velo

Author: Allan's Aokage [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:34 pm ]
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Insho wrote:
But if Allan if, one of the 3 I mentioend previously is fake, it isn't you. The rules changed, but a repeating results don't lie, and you came up twice as mafia, and no odd phases, so Manny couldn't have interfered unless he skipped a phase. While I'm taking crap for this, at least we have SOME evidence out of this.

...I see. Try again. Don't forget, unless you can take out Franny next phase, it only takes one townie lynch to speed our doom up ever quicker.

@Penny_Nickels; *gives pot of tea*


Author: ff3girl [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:37 pm ]
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*Also needs tea for the slamming book on privates comment...*

Thanks for sharing, Penny! ^_^ *sips... dies*

Who would've guessed it was poinsoned :beef: :beef: :beef:

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:59 pm ]
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Insho wrote:
Code:
[quote="Allan's Aokage"]OH FUCK I'VE BEEN FOUND OUT [size=1]@Insho; In case you are unable to tell, that was sarcasm. It's about as untruthful as the list of Mafians you posted, of which at least one is fake. You have been royally screwed over by the unreliable roles of the Town investigators. Get Gumshoe to research me again and again. I will turn up as Townie at least once and for every time after that. In short, when you fall asleep on this Night phase, I will make sure I will slam a book on your privates for publishing unsound information about my affiliation. Good day, sir.[/size]
[size=200]Lynch: [strike]Caitlin[/strike] Boss Velotix[/size]

:tea: Let us see how quickly you decide to hasten to the doom of the Town, my fellow Townies.[/quote]


Fixed...well, shown publicly, rather.
Frankly, I deserve it. But if Allan if, one of the 3 I mentioend previously is fake, it isn't you. The rules changed, but a repeating results don't lie, and you came up twice as mafia, and no odd phases, so Manny couldn't have interfered unless he skipped a phase. While I'm taking crap for this, at least we have SOME evidence out of this.


However, it's possible for two FALSE answers to appear as well. It's not like it's going to be "Oh, it was wrong this time, so it's going to be right next time" That's another reason you can't trust the investigations. You have to have a sequence of four or five of the same answer before you're sure. :yuusaku:

Author: ff3girl [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:09 pm ]
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If false results can show up repeatedly... ... I am going to be SO angry. The town would have no chance. You think we can afford to wait 4 or 5 phases for each person?

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:24 pm ]
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ff3girl wrote:
If false results can show up repeatedly... ... I am going to be SO angry. The town would have no chance. You think we can afford to wait 4 or 5 phases for each person?


They can, however.... :yuusaku:

Author: Caitlin [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:32 pm ]
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....So.

While I'm gone you decide to vote for someone who may well be protected (Cracker told me about this on the phone, where I warned him not to vote Velo because it probably wouldn't work). Then you kill nobody. Then two roles are killed on Night 2. Then you kick me out of the Town Watch because I'm 'a confirmed Mafioso' when in fact, some of you have just not bothered to read the rules properly.

Vote: Boss Velotix

I don't believe for a second that you have a hidden power that's activated upon your death. That would make Edgeworth ridiculously overpowered. :)

Guys, we started out with 23 players. So far we've lost 3 Townies and 1 Mafioso. Stop complaining that it's over. The only reason things are going so badly is because you haven't been paying attention. As soon as I read that post from Velo after you started voting for him in your droves in the middle of Day 2, I knew it was wrong. He wouldn't just give up. Unfortunately, I wasn't around to see any of this so my brother only told me the general gist of what was going on, so I couldn't help.

LOOITYLOO AND GVK, WHAT HAPPENED?! The last words I said to GvK were 'At first I was wary about leaving the game for a few days, but now that Maya and Mia have found each other I'm not so worried'.

I hear I have been excommunicated because I 'am not 100% confirmed Townie', either.
...If you only have one investigative role left, how do you plan to bring me back in? Or am I just being left out for the rest of the game?


....The more I look at it, the more I think that this 'Rookie Killer' idea has actually done the opposite. We've fallen for the most basic tricks in the book.

P.S. Velo, I was a better confirmed Mafioso last round than you could ever be. ;)

Author: ff3girl [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:36 pm ]
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Quote:
While I'm gone you decide to vote for someone who may well be protected (Cracker told me about this on the phone, where I warned him not to vote Velo because it probably wouldn't work). Then you kill nobody. Then two roles are killed on Night 2. Then you kick me out of the Town Watch because I'm 'a confirmed Mafioso' when in fact, some of you have just not bothered to read the rules properly.

Caitlin... rubbing salt in the wounds really isn't helping much. But thanks for reiterating what we've been saying to ourselves repeatedly for the last 24 hours.

Author: genodragon1 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:37 pm ]
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:yogi: :hotti: HOORAY REDUNDANCY! :keiko: :igarashi:

Author: Caitlin [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:48 pm ]
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ff3girl wrote:
Quote:
While I'm gone you decide to vote for someone who may well be protected (Cracker told me about this on the phone, where I warned him not to vote Velo because it probably wouldn't work). Then you kill nobody. Then two roles are killed on Night 2. Then you kick me out of the Town Watch because I'm 'a confirmed Mafioso' when in fact, some of you have just not bothered to read the rules properly.

Caitlin... rubbing salt in the wounds really isn't helping much. But thanks for reiterating what we've been saying to ourselves repeatedly for the last 24 hours.


Well, coming home to read all of this failure at once really isn't all that fun. Did you expect me to not comment on it at all? :/

Anyway, enough of that.

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:08 pm ]
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Guys, all of you!
Stop being nasty for no reason! Geno, get off your high horse. It's getting old.
Caitlin's been gone away from a computer for a while, how DARE she accidentally say something already said! Let it go, guys. The past few pages have had a lot of unnecessary assholery and it's starting to ilk me. Be cool.

though the book-on-privates remark was pretty funny

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:09 pm ]
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The board's been acting up again, huh? :/

Author: genodragon1 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:10 pm ]
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Sklarvv wrote:
Guys, all of you!
Stop being nasty for no reason! Geno, get off your high horse. It's getting old.
Caitlin's been gone away from a computer for a while, how DARE she accidentally say something already said! Let it go, guys. The past few pages have had a lot of unnecessary assholery and it's starting to ilk me. Be cool.

though the book-on-privates remark was pretty funny


Dude, Sklarvv, calm down. 'Twas a joke. Jeez...

Author: Caitlin [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:20 pm ]
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Guys, the deceased Mentors would be ashamed of what has happened here over the last few pages.
This has degenerated into a thread of 'lol I blame you' 'NO U', and the Mafia will be laughing away at us. We're going to lose miserably if we don't get things together, and I for one am not going to let two Townie roles have died in vain. It's time to stop acting like five-year-olds and catch out the Mafioso instead.

:)

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:21 pm ]
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I feel your pain Caitty....explaining the rules to someone who won't stop trying to peg people as Mafiaso for a second and focus.....that stuff. (/five-year-old ness)

So, guys, can we keep a consistent vote for ONCE?

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:28 pm ]
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Well, lessee. Con-sis-tent...
-Velo is confirmed, basically, but people think he may have some sorta hidden power. I have no idea.
-Al Ao is also confirmed, but he's brandishing heavy books.
Hm.
I think it would be good to choose between these guys, but this is just what I'm observing from the outside.

Author: genodragon1 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:30 pm ]
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CONSISTENCY? THIS IS RK MAFIA! *shotshotshot*

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:32 pm ]
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.....jsdfguvauiobfibdff


DID YOU JUST EFFING SAY THAT..........................AL AO WAS CONFIRMED?

'ioirhgusrguisjgbiosgnviopopsfnviofhiop!

EDIT: Did anyone else see this CR glitch?:

Spoiler: saving space
Image

Author: Donald Serrot [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:38 pm ]
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genodragon1 wrote:
CONSISTENCY? THIS IS RK MAFIA! *shotshotshot*

Image

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:40 pm ]
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Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
.....jsdfguvauiobfibdff


DID YOU JUST EFFING SAY THAT..........................AL AO WAS CONFIRMED?

'ioirhgusrguisjgbiosgnviopopsfnviofhiop!

EDIT: Did anyone else see this CR glitch?:

Spoiler: saving space
Image

He isn't? Sorry, that was the impression I got :/

*sigh* We take the "killer" out of "rookie killer"...

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:45 pm ]
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Sklarvv wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
.....jsdfguvauiobfibdff


DID YOU JUST EFFING SAY THAT..........................AL AO WAS CONFIRMED?

'ioirhgusrguisjgbiosgnviopopsfnviofhiop!

EDIT: Did anyone else see this CR glitch?:

Spoiler: saving space
Image

He isn't? Sorry, that was the impression I got :/

*sigh* We take the "killer" out of "rookie killer"...


He even said in the little text in his post that it was sarcasm for Insho. :yuusaku:

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:48 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Uh... I know his part was sarcasm, they said it beforehand. What, you expected him to admit it?

Author: Caitlin [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:25 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Just recapping.

Gumshoe's investigations are not dependent on each other. All four results could be right; all four could be wrong. In this way it's going to be difficult to confirm anyone's identity using an investigation. An investigation could fail twice, maybe even three times, and we wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Am I correct?

Author: R. Bond [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:28 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

In a nutshell, yes.

Author: genodragon1 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:36 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Caitlin wrote:
Just recapping.

Gumshoe's investigations are not dependent on each other. All four results could be right; all four could be wrong. In this way it's going to be difficult to confirm anyone's identity using an investigation. An investigation could fail twice, maybe even three times, and we wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Am I correct?


Ayup... :yogi:

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:37 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Caitlin wrote:
Just recapping.

Gumshoe's investigations are not dependent on each other. All four results could be right; all four could be wrong. In this way it's going to be difficult to confirm anyone's identity using an investigation. An investigation could fail twice, maybe even three times, and we wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Am I correct?


However, once the correct answer is given, it cannot be changed. No matter what.

Author: OMG Cracker [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:50 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Look, the simplest way to put it is that Gumshoe can't trust anything in any of his investigations.

An investigation with an accuracy of over 50% can be considered accurate enough to be taken for a likely truth.
An investigation with an accuracy of under 50% can be considered inaccuarate enough to be most likely false.
An investigation with an accuracy of exactly 50% can't be considered either, so is effectively useless.
In other words, Gumshoe would be a more useful role if his investigations were less accurate. >_>

Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
However, once the correct answer is given, it cannot be changed. No matter what.


But it's also possible for Gumshoe to get the same inaccurate investigation twice or more. The two possibilities can't be told apart.

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:54 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

OMG Cracker wrote:
Look, the simplest way to put it is that Gumshoe can't trust anything in any of his investigations.

An investigation with an accuracy of over 50% can be considered accurate enough to be taken for a likely truth.
An investigation with an accuracy of under 50% can be considered inaccuarate enough to be most likely false.
An investigation with an accuracy of exactly 50% can't be considered either, so is effectively useless.
In other words, Gumshoe would be a more useful role if his investigations were less accurate. >_>

Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
However, once the correct answer is given, it cannot be changed. No matter what.


But it's also possible for Gumshoe to get the same inaccurate investigation twice or more. The two possibilities can't be told apart.


What we have established here, Insho, is TO NOT TRUST GUMSHOE.

Even comparing it with Maya and Mia can cause problems.

Author: Caitlin [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:16 pm ]
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Yeah, I was going to wait around some more but I'm too tired. I'll be back for the later stages of Night 3.

Hey, Velo. Out of curiosity, are you allowed to tell us what benefits you would have received had you joined the Town? I'm going to assume that there was some other advantage apart from improving Maya's investigations slightly because otherwise you'd have joined the Mafia immediately.

Author: ff3girl [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:22 pm ]
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In other words... Gumshoe is ... ... ... almost useless? XD Greeeat.

Btw-- Franziska, if you PM me, I'll buy you a new whip! The latest model. :D

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:26 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

If Gumshoe's useless, how much faith are we putting into the list? Because everyone cut off communication with me and it's not exactly fair :sadshoe:

Author: OMG Cracker [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:42 pm ]
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Sklarvv wrote:
If Gumshoe's useless, how much faith are we putting into the list? Because everyone cut off communication with me and it's not exactly fair :sadshoe:


I don't have a clue. Thanks to yesterday's mistakes with the list most of the Watch has collapsed, so I don't know who's talking to who anymore. >_>

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:57 pm ]
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Eh. Same here.
So, we're going after Velo, then?

Author: OMG Cracker [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:11 pm ]
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Guess so. The Town has no real clue where it's going, so I suppose going for the obvious target is our best chance...

Author: WhiteElephant [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:12 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Whooo I hate being sick :yogi: Okay Okay lemme get up a vote tally.

Author: Matt Gumshoe [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:33 pm ]
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Foolishly foolish fools...we're playing right into the mafia's hands with this... :franny:

Because I'm not sure what's going to happen, and because I feel the need to be an iconoclast....

VOTE: WhiteElephant


Why? She was a part of the "Watch" chat, and right now, that place is looking worse and worse the more I look back on it...

Author: fatalfeline [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:39 pm ]
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WhiteElephant, huh? :/ Interesting.

On a lighter note, I just got Professor Layton and EBA in the mail. AT THE SAME TIME! :D I'm sure gonna be busy.

Author: Game Over [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:42 pm ]
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fatalfeline wrote:
WhiteElephant, huh? :/ Interesting.

On a lighter note, I just got Professor Layton and EBA in the mail. AT THE SAME TIME! :D I'm sure gonna be busy.


STOP COPYING ME!! *Got Layton and EBA at Target at the same time.*

Author: Donald Serrot [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:42 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Ferdie wanted me to say that if Gumshoe gets the same result twice, it's somewhat more likely that the result is accurate than that it is inaccurate.
The odds of getting an inaccurate result twice, given 2 investigations of one person, are 1/4.
The odds of getting an accurate result twice are 1/2.
With three investigations, the result is practically confirmed; there's only a 1/8 chance of it being inaccurate 3 times in a row by chance.

And I want to say... I DINGED level 31 today in WoW! Yay!
VELO! GET ON IM PRONTO SO I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THE COOL ADD-ONS I GOT!

Author: Insho [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:49 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

(Skip pink part for short version)For the (Court) Records:
-I learned that Gumshoe was effectively useless, if not like the anti-useful, about the time I had Geno announce it yesterday afternoon. Stop telling me already.

-We have already learned and presented that the "List" I presented was obsolete. About the same time we announced Gumshoe. Stop talking about it.

Sklarvv said it already, that Velo is toast and AlAo is both the next best guess with present evidence and a threat to my future children. Take note I said "next BEST guess", as in, all we really have for now.

The Chat that happened on Night 0 may be the best bet we have so far, but don't disintegrate the votes any more than we already have.
I can say it all night long, I was wrong.
Dead wrong. If it wasn't for my doubts of what I had back then, we would still be on the fast-track to Screwedover Town.

BUT! We have gone full circle. We are back on Velo. We didn't vote out anybody yet, so no permanent harm done. In fact, we PREVENTED said harm (at the cost of my credibility and self-respect. Seems like a fair trade to me).

We are all caught up now, ja? So, all failures and humbling aside, can we have a nicer chat here? It is only a game after all.

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:10 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Donald Serrot wrote:
Ferdie wanted me to say that if Gumshoe gets the same result twice, it's somewhat more likely that the result is accurate than that it is inaccurate.
The odds of getting an inaccurate result twice, given 2 investigations of one person, are 1/4.
The odds of getting an accurate result twice are 1/2.
With three investigations, the result is practically confirmed; there's only a 1/8 chance of it being inaccurate 3 times in a row by chance.

And I want to say... I DINGED level 31 today in WoW! Yay!
VELO! GET ON IM PRONTO SO I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THE COOL ADD-ONS I GOT!



*ahem* MANNY, MANNY, MANNY, MANNY, MANNY, MANNY, MANNY, MANNY!


@Insho: Present evidence about Al Ao, please. :godot:

Author: Boss Velotix [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:15 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

So, this turned out to be a lot of fun in the end. This is to be my last post in the Living Thread. See you guys again soon. :)

The Town really is completely screwed, no lie. Way to fail, Town.

Good luck, fellow Mafiosi! :D


Author: genodragon1 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:22 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Boss Velotix wrote:
Blah blah blah, I'm about to die, blah blah blah legitimate comment about having fun, blah blah blah


:hobohodo: Yawn...

Author: R. Bond [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:25 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

I'm gonna miss this whole Velo/Geno rivalry thing.

Author: genodragon1 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:28 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

R. Bond wrote:
I'm gonna miss this whole Velo/Geno rivalry thing.


I don't think I'm up to rival level yet (if so, awesomesauce! But I doubt it...). I look at it more as I poking fun at grandpa Velo, on his rocking chair on the porch, yelling at me to get off his lawn.

Author: Game Over [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:28 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

.......My head hurts, I can't think straight, I need a break from the Mafia game..

Author: R. Bond [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:32 pm ]
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genodragon1 wrote:
R. Bond wrote:
I'm gonna miss this whole Velo/Geno rivalry thing.


I don't think I'm up to rival level yet (if so, awesomesauce! But I doubt it...). I look at it more as I poking fun at grandpa Velo, on his rocking chair on the porch, yelling at me to get off his lawn.

You know, judging from your posts, I'd be more inclined to believe that you're the crazy old man.

Author: genodragon1 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:33 pm ]
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R. Bond wrote:
genodragon1 wrote:
R. Bond wrote:
I'm gonna miss this whole Velo/Geno rivalry thing.


I don't think I'm up to rival level yet (if so, awesomesauce! But I doubt it...). I look at it more as I poking fun at grandpa Velo, on his rocking chair on the porch, yelling at me to get off his lawn.

You know, judging from your posts, I'd be more inclined to believe that you're the crazy old man.


A raving lunatic, maybe, but sir, I am by no means old...

Am I? :larry:

Author: Insho [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:34 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

@Velo: And I thought I was egotisical... :Noodle-Salute:

@: P_A:

While I can't risk another info-flood incident (my poor psyche), I can say this.
On Day 1, Al Ao came up as "in the Mafia".
On Night 2, Al Ao came up as "in the Mafia" again.

Now, the most important part of this is two things:
1.) What Don said earlier about the odds (you look it up).
2.) The timing. There were two phases of results in-between those two sets. The possibility of Manny sniping AlAo is not far-fetched, but that would mean that he has a specific hatred for AlAo, and a longterm plan, seeing as he would have to skip a phase worth of scrambling after the first one to make it convincing. (Plausible, but contrived)
(From what I am told, the other phrasings the entire time altered overtime, but his remained the same.)

Now, I am not saying that Al Ao IS Mafia. At this point, that is up to you, town. :pasta:

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:41 pm ]
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R. Bond wrote:
I'm gonna miss this whole Velo/Geno rivalry thing.

I'm not... :lana:

19 minutes...

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:42 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Insho wrote:
@Velo: And I thought I was egotisical... :Noodle-Salute:

@: P_A:

While I can't risk another info-flood incident (my poor psyche), I can say this.
On Day 1, Al Ao came up as "in the Mafia".
On Night 2, Al Ao came up as "in the Mafia" again.

Now, the most important part of this is two things:
1.) What Don said earlier about the odds (you look it up).
2.) The timing. There were two phases of results in-between those two sets. The possibility of Manny sniping AlAo is not far-fetched, but that would mean that he has a specific hatred for AlAo, and a longterm plan, seeing as he would have to skip a phase worth of scrambling after the first one to make it convincing. (Plausible, but contrived)
(From what I am told, the other phrasings the entire time altered overtime, but his remained the same.)

Now, I am not saying that Al Ao IS Mafia. At this point, that is up to you, town. :pasta:


1. Odds are still odds. They can still happen.
2. Not only is it plausible, but you seem to forget that the Mob loves to screw with us. They probably just picked someone, and went with it, assuming Manny messed with the results in one of those phases or at all. It's possible for it to come up wrong two or three times.


...Unless you have more CONCRETE proof.

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:45 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

PA, do you have concrete proof for someone else? Cos things look pretty bleak suspect wise after Velo.
Or, better, proof Al Ao is safe? I hate killing innosents, but there's nothing anyone can do if it's our only lead.

Author: Franzise Deauxnim [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:45 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

P_A, the other two townie investigative roles are DEAD. If Gumshoe is as useless as you keep claiming, how do you expect to get more "concrete proof"?

I'm starting to think you're intentionally going out of your way to discredit the town's information. :yuusaku: You keep shooting down everything that comes up, but I don't see you offering any better alternatives.

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:47 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

^ This ^
Oh, and duh.
UNVOTE CAITLIN
VOTE VELO

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:57 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Sklarvv wrote:
PA, do you have concrete proof for someone else? Cos things look pretty bleak suspect wise after Velo.
Or, better, proof Al Ao is safe? I hate killing innosents, but there's nothing anyone can do if it's our only lead.


Since both AS and Velo were Mafian, that poses three situations in my eyes:

1. They set it up to get info about the Town and things like that. They made care to invite certain Townies, and maybe one or two other Mafiasos to make things seem more casual, and to fill up the chat room a little more. Some shadows were invited. Sklarvv wasn't cleared obivously, and was kicked. Morgan was either a Shadow, or another Mafian hiding their identity. (this is very shaky however)

2. The entire chatroom was a Mafiaso meeting place, Shadows included, and Sklarvv was invited incidentally. Not only was she not cleared, she was probably the only Townie there....however since she wasn't the target yet, my first theroy is a little more plausible. They probably aren't hitting her for some reason....

3. The chatroom was a "Town Watch" started by some Mafians (w/ shadows), and Sklarvv, not being fully trusted, OR cleared, was kicked.


To make my point clear: We should be going after this chat first, before we go for anyone else. For all we know, Franzy could be in there.

Edit: Forgot about Shadows.

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:00 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

I still don't know what happened there, but the only possible solution I could find was that I stepped into something with shadows. I was gagged for finding it, after all.

Author: Franzise Deauxnim [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:04 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Assuming Sklarvv is a townie, there's two reasons I can think of as to why the Mafia wouldn't kill her.

1. They're going after the special roles first.
2. Sklarvv is already suspicious to the town, so they might be hoping she'll get lynched, thus saving them a nightly kill.

Author: Insho [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:05 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Sklarvv wrote:
I still don't know what happened there, but the only possible solution I could find was that I stepped into something with shadows. I was gagged for finding it, after all.

This.
This is the only reason the gag has been used all round-- anything related to shadows.
The no-clear with Sklarvv, and the other thing about a cheating shadow (Pandan) with somebody else who's name escapes me...

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:06 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Assuming Sklarvv is a townie, there's two reasons I can think of as to why the Mafia wouldn't kill her.

1. They're going after the special roles first.
2. Sklarvv is already suspicious to the town, so they might be hoping she'll get lynched, thus saving them a nightly kill.


Those are the most logical conclusions, and probably are what happened. Both.

@Insho: Morgan Fey? Oh, you meant Pandan.


...Where's the phase change?

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:08 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Assuming Sklarvv is a townie, there's two reasons I can think of as to why the Mafia wouldn't kill her.

1. They're going after the special roles first.
2. Sklarvv is already suspicious to the town, so they might be hoping she'll get lynched, thus saving them a nightly kill.

Suuuper. :nick-sweat:

Author: fatalfeline [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:09 pm ]
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...Isn't DxK a little late with ending the phase? :/

Author: WhiteElephant [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:10 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Heres the vote tally D8~ Sorry my internet crapped out on me

Spoiler: Tally
Boss Velotix- 15
Regy Rusty
Franzise Deauxnim
Phoenix_Apollo
WhiteElephant
fatalfeline
Boss Velotix
Game Over
Insho
genodragon1
Donald Serrot
ff3girl
OMG Cracker
Allan Aokage
Penny_Nickels
Sklarvv


GEE GUYS I WONDER WHO'LL BE LYNCHED WITH THIS TALLY LAWL |D~ -shot-

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:11 pm ]
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Day is harder than night, what with the votes and the more roles and stuff. At least that's my guess.

EDIT-
...I take that back. XDD

Author: DahliaXKristoph [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:12 pm ]
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Vote Tally

Boss Velotix: 15 + 3 = 18

Regy Rusty
Franzise Deauxnim
Game Over
Phoenix_Apollo
Insho
WhiteElephant
fatalfeline
Genodragon1
Boss Velotix
Donald Serrot
OMG Cracker
Allan's Aokage
Penny_Nickels
Caitlin
Sklarvv


Boss Velotix, Miles Edgeworth of the Mafia, was sucessfully lynched. His Shadow was Endless Blasphemy


Image




_____________________________________________

My Dear Dantes and Dantettes,

Well, it took you long enough. Really, guys.

Stop failing. It's starting to depress me.

That is all, for now. To be continued later, when I'll have a little better news for the Town...

...Or will I? Only I'll know, and I'm sure as Hell not sharing my little "gift" for the Townie Faction until I want to...

That is all.

-Virgil


Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:15 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Ah, now that we have that plebian out of our way, we can get back to suspicions ans such. :godot:

Author: Regy Rusty [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:15 pm ]
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And at last, Miles Edgeworth falls.

Heh.

Good riddance. See? Those of you who feared a Hidden Power? I told you he was bluffing.

Author: fatalfeline [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:15 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Took ya long enough, DxK.

I wonder what the "gift" for the town is? :/

Author: genodragon1 [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:17 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

And another bites the dust/And another one bites the dust!/ And another one goes, and another one goes/Another one bites the dust!/ Hey! Are you ready?/ Another one bites the dust!

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:18 pm ]
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Velo won the election!
Velo won the election!
Yeeaaayy!

I DID NOT SEE THIS COMING

Author: WhiteElephant [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:19 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

I think DxK is mocking us.

I need to take my stomach medication .w.~ -runs off-

Author: fatalfeline [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:20 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Sklarvv wrote:
Velo won the election!
Velo won the election!
Yeeaaayy!

I DID NOT SEE THIS COMING


INORITE?! It was soooooooo close! :ema-shock:

Author: Franzise Deauxnim [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:20 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

DahliaXKristoph wrote:
Well, it took you long enough. Really, guys.

Stop failing. It's starting to depress me.

:yani-fist:

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:29 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

fatalfeline wrote:
Sklarvv wrote:
Velo won the election!
Velo won the election!
Yeeaaayy!

I DID NOT SEE THIS COMING


INORITE?! It was soooooooo close! :ema-shock:

YEAH, I WAS ON THE EDGE OF MY SEAT

WAIT
WAAAAIIIT.

Quote:
Boss Velotix, Miles Edgeworth of the Mafia, was sucessfully lynched. His Shadow was Endless Blasphemy

OH SHIT A MAFIA IS OUR PRESIDENT.
OH SHIT OUR PRESIDENT WAS ASSASSINATED.
TODAY SUUUUCKS

Author: Sklarvv [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:29 pm ]
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I am convinced this site hates me.

Author: Insho [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:53 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

I vould just like to say vat I vish ve had ze Luke-laugh smiliez. :luke-side:
Now if you don't mind me-- oh wait, nobody does. Riiiiiiiiiiight~

Author: Game Over [ Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:54 pm ]
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He's really dead?! WOO HOO!!

*Goes back to playing Chrono Trigger.*

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:08 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Now, what shall we (and by we I mean you guys since I'll be gone) do this Night Phase?

Author: Sklarvv [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:21 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Now, what shall we (and by we I mean you guys since I'll be gone) do this Night Phase?


Weeelll...

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Assuming Sklarvv is a townie, there's two reasons I can think of as to why the Mafia wouldn't kill her.

1. They're going after the special roles first.
2. Sklarvv is already suspicious to the town, so they might be hoping she'll get lynched, thus saving them a nightly kill.

I'll be spending it sobbing in the fetal position, thanks.

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:25 am ]
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Poor Sklarvvie... :sadshoe:

Author: Insho [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:43 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Poor Sklarvvie... :sadshoe:

There ARE people in worse positions. All we said was that she was a suspect, not convicted.
...and no, I don't mean ME.^^^

Author: Donald Serrot [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:45 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Sklarvv wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Now, what shall we (and by we I mean you guys since I'll be gone) do this Night Phase?

I'll be spending it sobbing in the fetal position, thanks.

D=
*comforts Sklarvv*

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:04 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Insho wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Poor Sklarvvie... :sadshoe:

There ARE people in worse positions. All we said was that she was a suspect, not convicted.
...and no, I don't mean ME.^^^


I think you're one of the most Townie people out there....


....the perfect example of us headless chickens. :redd:


Author: Penny_Nickels [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:29 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Anyone else feel like the mafia'll take out two more roles tonight? :sadshoe:

Also, I've memorized the following smilies in the mafia game. Sadshoe,gymshoe,eh?,and yuusaku. Whoo.

Author: OMG Cracker [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:10 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

*gets out from under his faithful desk*

...We survived?

:D

Well now I guess the question is what we do tomorrow...

Author: genodragon1 [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:07 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

This topic is on page two? Unacceptable! This is totally not a bump!

Author: Insho [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:10 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

OMG Cracker wrote:
Well now I guess the question is what we do tomorrow...

Get over it?
I mean, yeah, we might lose Gumshoe and/or Phoenix, but that doesn't mean too much. You all shot Gumshoe down as useless, and so far Phoenix has just been unessential.

Not to say that they ARE useless and unessential (Please don't kill me guys... *Machi-flich* )

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:21 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Good morning, everyone! :godot:


I'm just noting that today might be my last day that I'll be on here, before I leave. I'll try and make it later for the phase change, but I might wind up coming tomorrow morning.

Author: OMG Cracker [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:26 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

It was more about who we're voting for tomorrow, actually. We don't really have any suspects to speak of now that the list has proven to be faulty and Velo's dead, and we can't forget that Dahlia will probably intervene if we go for a more obvious choice *coughWEcough*...

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:31 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

OMG Cracker wrote:
It was more about who we're voting for tomorrow, actually. We don't really have any suspects to speak of now that the list has proven to be faulty and Velo's dead, and we can't forget that Dahlia will probably intervene if we go for a more obvious choice *coughWEcough*...


You never know. :godot:

WE's the next best choice, IMO.

Author: Insho [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:48 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
OMG Cracker wrote:
It was more about who we're voting for tomorrow, actually. We don't really have any suspects to speak of now that the list has proven to be faulty and Velo's dead, and we can't forget that Dahlia will probably intervene if we go for a more obvious choice *coughWEcough*...


You never know. :godot:

*EDITED OUT*'s the next best choice, IMO.

Why not just NOT say who we are going for until that day comes.
I mean, we really DON'T need to publicly discuss it. That's what IMs and PMs are for.

Author: Game Over [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:55 am ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

*Used to being ignored*

I don't have a shred of evidence rather than my own gut and I am just going to vote for her next day...

*Goes back to playing Chrono Trigger to pass the time.*

Author: Sklarvv [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:31 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

This topic was slow while I was gone!? That's new...

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:34 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Insho wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
OMG Cracker wrote:
It was more about who we're voting for tomorrow, actually. We don't really have any suspects to speak of now that the list has proven to be faulty and Velo's dead, and we can't forget that Dahlia will probably intervene if we go for a more obvious choice *coughWEcough*...


You never know. :godot:

*EDITED OUT*'s the next best choice, IMO.

Why not just NOT say who we are going for until that day comes.
I mean, we really DON'T need to publicly discuss it. That's what IMs and PMs are for.


True....however, if Dahlia protects her, that's almost a conefession...

Also, we have suspected her before, it's pretty likely that she protected anyway, either last day phase or thre next. :yuusaku:

Author: Insho [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:39 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
True....however, if Dahlia protects her, that's almost a conefession...

Also, we have suspected her before, it's pretty likely that she protected anyway, either last day phase or thre next. :yuusaku:

But don't forget that just like how we thought Gumshoe had 2 true/false and then proved it wrong, I also checked in with the GM and found out that it isn't against the rules for Dahlia to protect anybody she so chooses.

Of course, just like Gumshoe having a silver lining, so, too, does the idea of Dahlia being more conservative with her power.

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:44 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

True, I suppose.

But, please, explain Gumshoe's silver lining.

Author: Insho [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:48 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Read the rules.
It says that true results always come back on the same person. Not to mention that while it is a 50% chance of failure, anybody that comes up Mafia at least once (or in the latest investigation for them) is worth some inspection.

So, while that 50% fail rate is really a drag, there is still SOME use for Gumshoe. Just need to be creative. :doodle:

Author: Sklarvv [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:49 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Well, the Gumshoe role is good for... Um... Uh... It's good if you like the character...?
I got nothing. I think his purpose of existing is to screw with our minds ;_;
"It's not 50/50, pal, it's 50%! Oh ho ho"
"D8<"

Author: Insho [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:51 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Sklarvv wrote:
Well, the Gumshoe role is good for... Um... Uh... It's good if you like the character...?
I got nothing. I think his purpose of existing is to screw with our minds ;_;
"It's not 50/50, pal, it's 50%! Oh ho ho"
"D8<"

Like I said, it is all about being creative. You have to know what you are trying to look for ahead of time, pretty much.
Besides, I still think it is better than nothing.
...
...
*rechecks report*

Author: Phoenix_Apollo [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:03 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Insho wrote:
Read the rules.
It says that true results always come back on the same person. Not to mention that while it is a 50% chance of failure, anybody that comes up Mafia at least once (or in the latest investigation for them) is worth some inspection.
So, while that 50% fail rate is really a drag, there is still SOME use for Gumshoe. Just need to be creative. :doodle:


Do you know how many Townies that puts at RISK?

Also, from the Hazakurain section:

ZOMG IT'S DAHLIA HAWTHORNE!

Someone looks like Iris (the one who's parasol is laying on the stage off to the side in the beginning) is there as well...<_<

Author: fatalfeline [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:11 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

I'm scared. Dahlia's my age now! D:

Author: Insho [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:14 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Do you know how many Townies that puts at RISK?

About... 4-5.
So, what do YOU have that's better evidence?

Author: Game Over [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:30 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Insho wrote:
Phoenix_Apollo wrote:
Do you know how many Townies that puts at RISK?

About... 4-5.
So, what do YOU have that's better evidence?


*Not directed at me but whatever*

My Nearly flawless Gut. It has been right on every account but one.

I will vote for her no matter what others say or ask.

*Goes back to playing Chrono Trigger.*

Author: Matt Gumshoe [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:46 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

I support this act of Truthinesstm

Who needs decisive evidence when you've got your gut?

Author: Sklarvv [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:58 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

By using the word "truthiness", Matt has hereby almost redeemed himself for calling me "darling".






Almost.

Also, lol.

Author: Allan's Aokage [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:05 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VII; Day Three)

Insho wrote:
2.) The timing. There were two phases of results in-between those two sets. The possibility of Manny sniping AlAo is not far-fetched, but that would mean that he has a specific hatred for AlAo, and a longterm plan, seeing as he would have to skip a phase worth of scrambling after the first one to make it convincing.

Maybe one time fell on the 50% chance of it being false and one was done by Manfred.

I cannot wait until tomorrow, where I will be able to type up some hugely long essay-like posts without getting owned by a timer that allows faggots to use my MSN account ><

Author: ff3girl [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:38 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Sklarvv wrote:
Also, lol.

LOL... I never really got the leek thing. :yogi: But I did notice that Yanni Yogi's head almost bounces along with that tune.

Author: Regy Rusty [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:35 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Hee hee. I just noticed that it says Night FOUR right now, when really we're in Night Three.

Silly DxK.

Author: WhiteElephant [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:37 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

OMG Cracker wrote:
It was more about who we're voting for tomorrow, actually. We don't really have any suspects to speak of now that the list has proven to be faulty and Velo's dead, and we can't forget that Dahlia will probably intervene if we go for a more obvious choice *coughWEcough*...

Image

GEE WHIZ OMG. WAY TO BE SUBTLE.




Seriously guys, why me :yuusaku: Let me guess- "I WAS IN THE CHATROOM OF DOOM", wasn't it.

Author: ff3girl [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:10 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Ah, I was wondering when I would see that smilie o' doom pop up again. :D

Author: Donald Serrot [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:14 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

ff3girl wrote:
Ah, I was wondering when I would see that smilie o' doom pop up again. :D

Spoiler: Steve doesn't like smilie of doom...
She's gonna hide nao.
Image

Author: Penny_Nickels [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:18 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

WhiteElephant wrote:
OMG Cracker wrote:
It was more about who we're voting for tomorrow, actually. We don't really have any suspects to speak of now that the list has proven to be faulty and Velo's dead, and we can't forget that Dahlia will probably intervene if we go for a more obvious choice *coughWEcough*...

Seriously guys, why me :yuusaku: Let me guess- "I WAS IN THE CHATROOM OF DOOM", wasn't it.

Is that their logic? Then why haven't we speculated Regy?

Author: ff3girl [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:48 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Really, everyone... let's hold off on all discussion of who is suspicious during the night phase, yes? :D Even within my group, I asked everyone to not discuss it until the day again. There's no point and it can only hurt us.

Author: Caitlin [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:16 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Night phases have become so useless to the Town. We can't come up with any plans because of Dahlia's lynch protect waiting in the wings, and now even smaller groups don't seem to want to come up with any ideas. Come on, guys, we're eventually going to have to do something.

...In other news, I am very excited because on the 10th of September the bookstore I work at is going to get touch-screen tills! Yay!

*tired* See you on Day 4.

Author: ff3girl [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:32 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Well now, I'm not saying 'don't come up with plans'--I'm saying just wait a few more hours to share those plans. :notes:

And.. yea... Night phases kinda suck. D:

Author: Sklarvv [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:35 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Weeellll... 2 hours 25 minutes left...
*thumb twiddle*

Author: DahliaXKristoph [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:57 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Update:

I may or may not be online at eleven PM EST for the Phase Change.

Fear not: If I am offline, MoronSonofBoron has nearly agreed to post the results of the Phase Change that I will be PMing him.

If he posts anything in this thread, treat it as a message from myself, with the permission granted here.

That is all.

Author: Insho [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:30 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Three)

Good news everybody! Especially Allan! It seems that the odds really were against you!

Today, your name came up again in the Gumshoe results. You were claimed town. Which means your guess about any combo of Manny and bad luck was correct.

Basically, you cam up Mafia twice, and then the latest result is for Town, thusly making Mafia impossible. Gotta love irony.

I will not say "forgive me" because, if you hadn't read my last post, I was leaving your judgment up to the town, and washing my hands of this. Regardless, you are now in the clear (mostly). Wheeeeeeee!

Author: Franzise Deauxnim [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:58 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Caitlin wrote:
Night phases have become so useless to the Town. We can't come up with any plans because of Dahlia's lynch protect waiting in the wings, and now even smaller groups don't seem to want to come up with any ideas. Come on, guys, we're eventually going to have to do something.

Do something? Alright, that sounds like a good idea.

geno, Game Over, I've heard from a very good source that you two recently went around telling people that I was falsely role-claiming Phoenix. Got an explanation?

Author: genodragon1 [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:59 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Caitlin wrote:
Night phases have become so useless to the Town. We can't come up with any plans because of Dahlia's lynch protect waiting in the wings, and now even smaller groups don't seem to want to come up with any ideas. Come on, guys, we're eventually going to have to do something.

Do something? Alright, that sounds like a good idea.

geno, Game Over, I've heard from a very good source that you two recently went around telling people that I was falsely role-claiming Phoenix. Got an explanation?


I heard that from Game Over, I believe. It may or may not be true, although I'm beginning to think I was lied to.

Author: Insho [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:06 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Three)

Well, we have a predicament.
And before we get any further into is, we need to wait for Game Over to come and spill it.


Does anybody feel a chill in the air? Something's coming.
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Author: Franzise Deauxnim [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:09 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Four)

genodragon1 wrote:
Franzise Deauxnim wrote:
Caitlin wrote:
Night phases have become so useless to the Town. We can't come up with any plans because of Dahlia's lynch protect waiting in the wings, and now even smaller groups don't seem to want to come up with any ideas. Come on, guys, we're eventually going to have to do something.

Do something? Alright, that sounds like a good idea.

geno, Game Over, I've heard from a very good source that you two recently went around telling people that I was falsely role-claiming Phoenix. Got an explanation?


I heard that from Game Over, I believe. It may or may not be true, although I'm beginning to think I was lied to.

So you ran around trying to slander me with no proof whatsoever as to whether it was true or not other than "because Game Over said so"? :yuusaku:

Author: genodragon1 [ Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:12 pm ]
Post subject: Re: Rookie Killer Mafia: Living Thread (Canto VIII; Night Three)

Slander is such a harsh word. But, as I have said to many, I wasn't right. So, this confused me, when I learned I was wrong. And plus, at the time I trusted him, so forgive me for my naivete. Although, I only mentioned it to a few people. I'm glad you are bringing this up, as I have been waiting for an opportunity to do so.